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December 27
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December 27, 2025 (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
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December 26
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December 26, 2025 (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
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RD: Kristina Gjerde
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mongabay
Credits:
- Nominated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: American lawyer and oceanographer who focused on conserving the oceans throughout her career. Article is fully sourced and detailed. --The Robot Parade 05:06, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
Former Malaysian PM Najib Razak jailed for 15 years
[edit]Blurb: Fomer prime minister of Malaysia Najib Razak (pictured) is sentenced to 15 years in prison for money laundering and abuse of power in relation to 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal. (Post)
News source(s): SCMP, Inquirer, Rappler
Credits:
- Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)
𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗷𝗮𝘆𝗮𝟲𝟳 (talk). 03:11, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support in theory per the precedent of the Peruvians and Sarzoky. This scandal is one of the biggest in Malaysian politics and this sentence is fairly harsh. However there are several CN tags and the PM section as a whole is a bit thinly cited so I'll oppose for now. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 03:23, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment This decision might not be final since it will be appealed to the Court of Appeal and the Federal Court. (Source) Syn73 (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We already did this in 2020 and the perp is still in prison. This is more of the same and the lead of the target article says nothing about this additional charge. The article is large and all it seems to have is a tiny section about a second charge. There does seem to be some potential impact – for example, DW says
The latest verdict, however, is likely to rock Malaysia's ruling coalition to the core.
– but that's not a sure thing and the article doesn't explain such political implications. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:34, 27 December 2025 (UTC)- It's not the same, it's a different set of charges and this one is much larger (by the amounts involved). Banedon (talk) 10:08, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- The article has a more detailed account what happened in 2020 which includes
In total, Najib faces 42 charges, of which 35 in another four trials are yet to be decided on.
. Then there's an account of events in 2024 which includesHowever, the court also allowed the filing of six addition cases against Najib
. - The new section for the second conviction says it's for
four counts of abuse of power and 21 counts of money laundering
and those offences seem to be the same as the first conviction. But this has not been integrated with the previous accounts which have not been updated. It's hard to follow this proseline approach and it's not clear how many cases and offences are still to come. See Timeline of the 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal for an extensive list which shows how often there are developments in this scandal. - What really seems to matter now is the political impact on the UNMO ruling party and that remains to be seen.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- The article has a more detailed account what happened in 2020 which includes
- It's not the same, it's a different set of charges and this one is much larger (by the amounts involved). Banedon (talk) 10:08, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:02, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Perry Bamonte
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NME
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Guitarist and keyboard player for The Cure. Article is OK. Black Kite (talk) 18:31, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose pretty well sourced, pending a ref for the date and place of birth. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 20:03, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Chorchapu Now included. Black Kite (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: It's only the year and place though not the date? Is that an issue or is it fine to have just the year? Chorchapu (talk | edits) 22:57, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Chorchapu The source says "Born Perry Archangelo Bamonte in London on 3 September 1960". [1]. Black Kite (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well oops, thank you. Now Support. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 00:08, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Chorchapu The source says "Born Perry Archangelo Bamonte in London on 3 September 1960". [1]. Black Kite (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Chorchapu Now included. Black Kite (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Israel–Somaliland relations
[edit]Blurb: Israel recognises Somaliland as an independent state, the first country to do so, and announces plans to expand relations. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel becomes the first country to recognise Somaliland as an independent state, announcing plans to expand relations.
Alternative blurb II: Israel recognises Somaliland as an independent state, becoming the first country to do so.
News source(s): [2][3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Chipmunkdavis (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Skitash (talk · give credit), JosephDB (talk · give credit) and Folkezoft (talk · give credit)
Article updated
CMD (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support as geopolitically notable. Somaliland has been de facto independent for over 30 years and this is the first time they’ve received formal diplomatic recognition from another sovereign state - they hadn’t even been recognized by other partially-recognized states (ex. Abkhazia, Northern Cyprus, Western Sahara/the SADR, etc), and their ties with Taiwan/Ethiopia/the UAE had been informal in nature. However, not sure if the bit about expanding relations is needed though, and I’ll add another altblurb in a bit to reflect that. The Kip (contribs) 17:52, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality. A first international recognition is pretty big news for Somaliland. On the matter of quality, spot-checking this source failed to verify the claim that the state would take Gazan refugees. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:54, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Skitash (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is definitely notable in my opinion, per above. This will change the geopolitics of the region for the years to come. VitoxxMass (talk) 18:09, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support A country receiving formal recognition is big news. And it says this is the start of a process among other nations as well. Guz13 (talk) 18:22, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above - the first official recognition of Somaliland (took long enough). Chorchapu (talk | edits) 18:33, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support per the reasons stated by Kip above. The relations article is also well-sourced and has sufficient quality. CastleFort1 (talk) 18:49, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Per above. An unusual event receiving widespread coverage and with clear/significant geopolitical impact. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 19:14, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Per above. I think that recent edits have improved the section sufficiently, though it could still be improved. This is unquestionably notable as the first recognition of Somaliland by anybody (including non-UN members), and the first time something like this has happened since the Russian recognition of the Luhansk and Donetsk Republics. I think that alt2 is the best blurb. JosephDB (talk) 19:20, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:46, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Pull Article uses inconsistent British and American spellings. 2600 etc (talk) 21:02, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed, article now consistently uses British spelling (which was predominant in the first revision). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:16, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It seems odd that Israel–Somaliland relations is the target article as the relationship with Israel doesn't seem especially significant. It would be better to have Somaliland as the main target as most readers won't be familiar with the place and its history. It has been de facto recognised already by other countries such as Ethiopia, Taiwan and the UK and seems to function as a country better than Somalia. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
It has been de facto recognised already by other countries such as Ethiopia, Taiwan and the UK
- Yes, but de jure recognition is the important part here. The Kip (contribs) 22:21, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- The relationship between Israel is important because the formal recognition is the reason for publication, and it is the first one. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:42, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
December 25
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December 25, 2025 (Thursday)
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RD: Dado Banatao
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS CBN
Credits:
- Nominated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Filipino engineer who developed tech start-ups. Article is fully updated, sourced, and detailed. --The Robot Parade 18:37, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD Article is well-cited and has no maintenance tags or inline tags. I gave it a light copyedit. DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:18, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
US strikes Nigeria
[edit]Blurb: The United States strikes IS targets in Nigeria following attacks on Nigerian Christians. (Post)
News source(s): AP, NYT, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Chorchapu (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Major US strike in Nigeria. Currently unclear the specifics but is likely to become clearer within hours. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 03:53, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Every source I see on this is predicated on what Trump has said on social media and a few US military accounts. We have no confirmation from any other source, and we cannot take what this current admin takes at face value. Masem (t) 04:03, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- We have a statement from the Nigerian govt that affirms there were targetted operations that they asked the US to carry out so we cannot consider this an unprovoked attack on a foreign country. And while Al Jazeera is not unbiased in this, this article suggested that NTRUMP applies more than anything at this point (trying to send a message), so I will oppose this at this point. Masem (t) 15:04, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I am as wary of WP:ITNTRUMP as one can be but the US striking a sovereign country unprovoked is certainly notable. The article is woefully stubby though. Gotitbro (talk) 04:07, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- If what the military social accounts are saying, the Nigerian govt requested the strikes to deal with ISIS groups there, but again, we have zero confirmation from non-US sources on this. Masem (t) 04:11, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Is it unprovoked though, the current reporting is that was done at the request of Nigeria (I'm sure the story will change with time). Nfitz (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- It doesn't look like it was unprovokeed if the Nigerian governement requested assistance. Guz13 (talk) 06:53, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Wait - we need more information. Was this simply done as a favour for Nigeria. Was this serious, or just a show of power? Was there significant casualties, or none such as we saw in the pre-orchestrated attacks on Iran and Qatar earlier this year, where both sides knew in advance where the missiles would hit. My guess is this is ITN - but it's too early to tell. Nfitz (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, as an isolated incident this appears to be a publicity stunt. Also don’t think it’s notable since it’s unlikely to meet WP:LASTING as of now. If the US properly engages in the conflict, ie. semi-regular strikes or boots on the ground, then imo it’d be blurb-worthy Kowal2701 (talk) 06:13, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Wait This could be part of something bigger and we shouldn't dismiss it entirely yet.
- Wait Per above. Also, we don't have damage/casualty reports yet Elisecars727☺ (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- oppose per Kowal2701 but stronger.Psephguru (talk) 07:38, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for more information, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:11, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - current reporting is that these strikes were done in cooperation with the Nigerian government/military (meaning they weren’t unprovoked), and past that, the war against ISIS/Boko Haram insurgency has been ongoing for a long time - this doesn’t really represent a massive development in that IMO. The Kip (contribs) 15:49, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support ITN isn't exclusively for world-changing developments, and the US striking targets in another country is absolutely newsworthy, even if (allegedly) at the request of the Nigerian government. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:11, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. Just because an event happens doesn't mean it needs to be at ITN, nor even have an article. In this case, the reporting on this is so subdued because it appears to be simply a requested strike on an ISIL cell, which is not unusual [4]. Masem (t) 00:44, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Kiriko Nananan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:
- Nominated by Link20XX (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Harushiga (talk · give credit) and Shikeishu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Japanese manga artist. Death was a year ago but only announced today per their family's request. Link20XX (talk) 22:37, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – unfortunately it would be too clickbait-misleading to post it now (my POV). Anyway, the overwhelming majority of sources are from the same database website and the rest are way too PRIMARY or of dubious reliability. (#1 and #4 as examples). CoryGlee 22:50, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- The policy for posting recent deaths just says "Recently died" means their death was announced within the last seven days and nothing about when the death actually occurred. As far as the sources, source 1 is to Modelpress, which is a fairly major news website in Japan (see its Japanese article ja:モデルプレス) and source 4 is to Comic Natalie, which the anime project considers to be reliable (WP:NATALIE). The article uses the Media Arts Database (run by the Agency for Cultural Affairs) for information about the works, but all the biographical information is sourced in the other references. If you think it should use a different source, I can switch them out though. Link20XX (talk) 23:06, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, okay, no problem. I have checked what you pointed and seems to be correct. As for database, it has been discussed elsewhere (for example, YouTube videos) ... But I am willing to "weak support" it if some secondary refs can be found for some of the works. Regressing to Point #1, I said "from my POV" it shouldn't be allowed. My POV is not WP rule, thus I am willing to strike it. CoryGlee 00:26, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- I've replaced half of them with reliable secondary sources (from the anime project's page). Is it ready to go now? Link20XX (talk) 01:15, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, okay, no problem. I have checked what you pointed and seems to be correct. As for database, it has been discussed elsewhere (for example, YouTube videos) ... But I am willing to "weak support" it if some secondary refs can be found for some of the works. Regressing to Point #1, I said "from my POV" it shouldn't be allowed. My POV is not WP rule, thus I am willing to strike it. CoryGlee 00:26, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- The policy for posting recent deaths just says "Recently died" means their death was announced within the last seven days and nothing about when the death actually occurred. As far as the sources, source 1 is to Modelpress, which is a fairly major news website in Japan (see its Japanese article ja:モデルプレス) and source 4 is to Comic Natalie, which the anime project considers to be reliable (WP:NATALIE). The article uses the Media Arts Database (run by the Agency for Cultural Affairs) for information about the works, but all the biographical information is sourced in the other references. If you think it should use a different source, I can switch them out though. Link20XX (talk) 23:06, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Strongly against the idea. Their death was one year ago, but by her request to announce, does not count as a recent death, about 2-3 entries for RD are submitted every day, and about 10 are shown, each take about 4 days to actually be decided on. And about 2 make it on the board each day, just for notice, you are 722 recent deaths behind. Sorry for that. 🍡 DangoDino 🍡 (talk) 00:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- The policy explicitly allows this though. It just says that it has to have been announced within the last week, which it was. Link20XX (talk) 01:20, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- 1 year post-mortem is overly too long to make it here. But like a short announcement (1-3 days) is fine. 🍡 DangoDino 🍡 (talk) 03:15, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Again, the policy says "Recently died" means their death was announced within the last seven days and nothing about when they actually died. Not to mention that there have been several postings well past when they actually died, like Vivian Silver was posted more than a month after they died. If you think the policy should be changed, that's a discussion for a different venue, but as-is the policy allows this to be posted. Link20XX (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- 1 year post-mortem is overly too long to make it here. But like a short announcement (1-3 days) is fine. 🍡 DangoDino 🍡 (talk) 03:15, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- The policy explicitly allows this though. It just says that it has to have been announced within the last week, which it was. Link20XX (talk) 01:20, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support: Article is fully sourced. My weak support is based on the fact that there could be much more detail on her early career, and not based on any issue about the time of posting. WP:ITN/RD allows for the posting of RD on the date that the death is widely announced, and any complaints on that system should be discussed at WP:ITNT, not on this nomination. This article is able to be posted if it meets quality standards. --The Robot Parade 01:43, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: John Robertson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Scottish professional footballer who played as a left winger for Nottingham Forest, Derby County and the Scotland national team. ItsShandog (talk) 17:59, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
Oppose A lot of citation gaps, once the citation needed tags are replaced by citations this will bea great article. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:08, 26 December 2025 (UTC)- Added citations. ItsShandog (talk) 09:31, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Change to support nice work! I added a reference for the one missing in the honours section too. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:58, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
December 24
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December 24, 2025 (Wednesday)
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RD: Neil Frank
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle
Credits:
- Nominated by Bait30 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 05:42, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready, to oppose would be rushy... but clearly not ready. There are unferenced (gaps) sections and some refs, namely #1 and #2 are not reliable [YouTube], especially because it is WP:UGC (not a verified account on YouTube). If things change, I may strike and support, if not, I will oppose. CoryGlee 11:32, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Ready) 2025 Honduran general election
[edit]Blurb: Nasry Asfura is elected president of Honduras. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nasry Asfura is declared President-elect in the Honduran general election held in November.
Alternative blurb II: Nasry Asfura (pictured) is declared President-elect of Honduras after one month of controversial vote count.
News source(s): BBC CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
ArionStar (talk) 00:08, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hold and defer to 27 January The declaration of a winner by the CNE took place on 24 December, but the election date on 30 November could make the blurb stale. I suggest withdrawing and renominating Nasry Asfura when he is sworn in as the President of Honduras on January 27, 2026. CastleFort1 (talk) 00:45, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- It doesn't make sense. The important thing about an election is the announcement of the official results once the vote count is complete, which is the culmination of the electoral process as such, regardless of how long that may take. It's not stale, and it's time to post once the article has been checked for quality. _-_Alsor (talk) 01:06, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support – I agree with Alsor about the issue about results and timing. Posting his assumption as President would mark a "dangerous" precedent for such an irrelevant ceremonial thing. My support is weak because it is a mediocre article on quality. CoryGlee 02:54, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The results section has no sources or prose. Perusing the article, I also spotted some grammar and tense issues. And the process seems quite confusing. They seem to have trouble counting but the technical issues are not clear. Hanging chads or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- "Reporting of results" is the same. ArionStar (talk) 15:07, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Not by precedent.
- Further the controversy should be in the blurbPsephguru (talk) 16:12, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- What's the precedent? ArionStar (talk) 18:40, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Not by precedent.
- 'Support ALT with the “declared” language since the result is disputed and subject to change, per sources This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:27, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- support ALT1 as controversy is important to mention.Psephguru (talk) 07:39, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- What's the argument for this? Dr Fell (talk) 21:53, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- has defined this year's electoral process, and the president herself has spoken of an electoral coup and foreign interference. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:57, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
- What's the argument for this? Dr Fell (talk) 21:53, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support per Alsoriano and CoryGlee – what is in the news is the official declaration, not the election itself (leading me to prefer ALT1). Quality isn't ideal, but not to the point of being a dealbreaker either: while the "Results" section has no prose, a lot of the relevant prose is in the "Reporting of results" and "Reactions and aftermath" sections, and the latter could reasonably be moved below. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:28, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support but mention controversy. Rushtheeditor (talk) 22:26, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Adding altblurb 3 to show controversial vote count. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ken White
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: English muralist who created the "Scarlet Lady" among other designs for the Virgin Group. Article is detailed and fully sourced. --The Robot Parade 16:41, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support – even though 95% of refs are local Swindon newspapers or websites, there's no reason for me to doubt verifiability. ITN notability threshold might be an issue, but article thoroughly sourced. CoryGlee 04:55, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Quote: "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". The existence of this page is "ITN notability threshold", unless some Scrooge or Grinch nominates it for deletion. ~2025-42753-20 (talk) 12:47, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- I know that, thanks for the novelty. That's why "might"; thanks for your knowledge on your first editing day! CoryGlee 13:49, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Article is thorough and fully cited. Ready to be posted. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 21:22, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: M Ravi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:
- Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Singaporean human rights lawyer and politician. Article is mostly cited. Working on referencing for notable cases and works list. – robertsky (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 03:56, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:59, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Ready Article is of sufficient quality for itn.–DMartin 05:31, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
December 23
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December 23, 2025 (Tuesday)
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(Posted) RD: Zeferino Peña Cuéllar
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Morogris (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BMXPastaPlastic (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Recently deceased Mexican criminal leader; article is updated and is GA status Morogris (✉ • ✎) 17:55, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support: GA article that still seems to meet quality standards. Easily passes the bar for RD! --The Robot Parade 18:17, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support GA, good to post. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 03:12, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Harmony Jets Flight 185
[edit]Blurb: A jet carrying eight people, including Libyan Army chief of staff Mohammed Ali Ahmed al-Haddad (pictured), crashes near Ankara, Turkey, killing all occupants. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Grffffff (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Death of Libya's top army officer and four other senior military officials in a plane crash. Haddad also played a key role in reunification talks between west and east Libya, making his sudden death more impactful. Chomik! (talk?) 16:01, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Little wary this was a private aircraft (which we typically do not post, see for example the plane accident Biffle was in, see Dec 18 nominations), and while al-Haddad is not some person of weak notability, I'm not sure how significant he is (chief of staff is second in command of the army there) to raise this beyond the private plane crash. I would just be prepared to have al-Haddad ready for nomination for RD in addition to making sure the accident article are at quality, in case this nomination is not looking like it would be posted. Masem (t) 16:47, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Between the deaths of 8 and the fact that the Libyan military chief was one of them, this is sufficient to post. Also looking at how this was in a foreign country. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 17:00, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support as Libyan officials were among the deceased, including the chief of staff. The crash has recieved international coverage and is notable. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:14, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support meets WP:ITNSIGNIF and also just about WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:07, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support The bolded article meets the quality standards for ITN because it is sufficiently sourced. The article also meets significance because of the death of Libyan chief al-Haddad in the crash. While al-Haddad wasn't a head of government or a head of state, he is at least semi-important because he assisted in efforts to reunify Libya's military, per his article. In a geopolitical sense, mediating between rival militias in Tripoli and integrating local militias into the army will be more difficult following his death. CastleFort1 (talk) 21:06, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Just a note that I've protected an image showing the aircraft involved. Schwede66 23:51, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Why though? Just wondering. JaxsonR (talk) 02:01, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Widley reported-on commercial aviation accident. I would prefer if the image was File:9H-DFS.jpg.–DMartin 02:52, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Surprised we haven't posted this yet. Article looks fine, clearly notable news item; should post before it goes stale. Gotitbro (talk) 09:06, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support Good article and major event. Should be posted soon. Scooglers (talk) 21:03, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support per all above. Also, we've posted American accidents on privately owned aircraft (e.g. Med Jets Flight 056) which killed less people and in which no prominent government officials were involved. Precedent militates towards posting. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 16:13, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted with the original image suggestion for now. Feel free to discuss which image is the most appropriate – both are currently protected and can be used. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:21, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Post Posting Comment Propose changing "A jet crash" to "A plane crash". Jet especially when combined with military context, makes it sound like a military fighter jet etc. While it may be a "business jet", plane crash feels more like common usage and less misleading.Basetornado (talk) 02:29, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Masashi ("Jumbo") Ozaki
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Japanese golfer. Main article is reasonable, but list of wins isn't sourced; I suspect there's probably a single source for all this, any golf fans that can help? Black Kite (talk) 08:30, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – it is a rather decent article. If sources for every win cannot be sourced, you can make "selected" ones to sources, as done with some actors' filmographies. I won't edit the article, so ping me for support if that's addressed. CoryGlee 11:46, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- You might be able just to cite Japan Tour's page on him as an efn. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:49, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Katie Allen
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SBS News
Credits:
- Nominated by ~2025-42214-84 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Spoonalious (talk · give credit), PrezDough (talk · give credit), ITBF (talk · give credit) and Querent (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Australian politician and medical researcher. ~2025-42214-84 (talk) 15:08, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Article is well-cited. Ryqueezy (talk) 15:25, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: 50% of references are PRIMARY (parliament and government sites, LinkedIn [#61], and even a self-reference to Wikipedia [#38]) CoryGlee 22:27, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- What's wrong with parliament and government sites? They will be reliable. I agree that LinkeedIn is inappropriate, as is the self-reference to Wikipedia. HiLo48 (talk) 00:23, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- That citation to Wikipedia is something. It's even properly formatted, access-date and all. 1brianm7 (talk) 06:29, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Adam the Woo
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by StonyBrook (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Pioneering YouTube travel vlogger with over 1M subscribers and 4,000 videos posted. StonyBrook babble 16:57, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support, it modestly passes the threshold for me, but it does. There's only one visible problem with the ref of WP:NEWSMAX, it must be removed and/or replaced. CoryGlee 17:15, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- There's a Newsweek in there, but no Newsmax. StonyBrook babble 18:12, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, WP:NEWSWEEK is not reliable, either. Sorry for the confusion. CoryGlee 18:47, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, removed. StonyBrook babble 21:43, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, WP:NEWSWEEK is not reliable, either. Sorry for the confusion. CoryGlee 18:47, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- There's a Newsweek in there, but no Newsmax. StonyBrook babble 18:12, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Vince Zampella
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC LA
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Prefall (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Founder of Infinity Ward, one of the game devs if Call of Duty. Killed in car crash just now, article not updated yet Masem (t) 19:44, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Article could be expanded but he helped create one of the most popular video games. R.I.P. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Article is a bit underdeveloped, the early life section is a single sentence as of this writing and it could also use a gameography section. Other than that though the article is in decent shape and doesn't suffer from the usual issue, and honestly could probably be posted as-is. PolarManne (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose due to insufficient sourcing. Ping me if fixed. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
Oppose: Nonexistent "early life" sub-head. It is literally one sentence. Needs addressing the tags & some unreliable sources (formerly Twitter, for example). Me too, ping me if fixed. CoryGlee 00:43, 23 December 2025 (UTC)Weak Support... DannyC55 – all reactions are from Twitter. That's NOT reliable at all. Scrap that. CoryGlee 03:52, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Important person in the video game world. Guz13 (talk) 03:32, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now The +2 CN tags need to be address first before I give my full support CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 11:07, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Suppport Article in good enough shape for featuring in a low-commitment section such as RD, especially considering how he was an important figure in the game industry. Lack of citations mostly solved now. Pinging QuicoleJR and CoryGlee for their input. --DannyC55 (Talk ★ Contributions) 03:37, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Suppport on notability, had big impact on game industry. Shadow4dark (talk) 23:54, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Suppport Article looks in good shape. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:58, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Supppport Article is good enough for RD (don't ask me why i wrote support with 4 "p", it must be a trend or something lol). Tradediatalk 11:44, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- PPPPPost. --PFHLai (talk) 12:37, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Fanil Sarvarov
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Yakikaki (talk · give credit)
- Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit) and No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Yakikaki (talk) 18:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support good article especially considering it was created few hours ago. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:47, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:13, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Practically no sources about this person before their death (and even those weren't about him, they just mentioned him). At best, any article should be at Murder of Fanil Sarvarov. Notability tag added. Black Kite (talk) 20:46, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- For transparency, I'll just repeat here what I put forward on the talk page of Sarvarov: While it was clearly his assassination that propelled widespread international interest in Sarvarov, he was clearly a notable person in his own right: a decorated general with quite a track record. Just because an assassination brought attention to him, it doesn't mean that he wasn't notable before. Yakikaki (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose He is not notable. His death seems notable and maybe an article on that should get attention in the future. Guz13 (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- I haven't looked at the article or the sources, but the article appearing in nine other languages and "he is not notable" is an interesting mix. Schwede66 23:36, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Chris Rea
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC News, DW, El Pais, France 24, NYT Sky News, South China Morning Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Miki Filigranski (talk · give credit) and Quizical (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English singer‑songwriter with a long, influential career spanning more than four decades. He sold millions of records worldwide, had multiple UK Top 10 albums, and remained a culturally significant figure through enduring works such as The Road to Hell and Driving Home for Christmas. ItsShandog (talk) 15:12, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD/Comment – had a long career, a music icon from the 80s and more, voice, slide guitar, known for his albums (particularly The Road to Hell and Auberge), and many singles and songs, reducing his music legacy to one Christmas song doesn't do him justice, it's belittling reporting due to mainstream trends and could be best known for that one song only to the "Generation Alpha".--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:11, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD Long and illustrious career with hit albums in the 80-90s. Sad to read about this. Article is in good shape. --Cart (talk) 17:20, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- No blurb, he's not that seminal. Secretlondon (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Simply no case to be made for that here. Gotitbro (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb as the Tongan PM has been up for a week now and so a change is well overdue. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:24, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- We have no control over when news happens, so using this an excuse to weaken our standards just to change the box image is nowhere close to appropriate. Masem (t) 19:50, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- The article seems to be in quite good shape and has a reasonable update for the death and so it passes all ITN standards. And the death is being reported in numerous international sources and so it's very much in the news. It's the Tongan PM who's not in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:04, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe the Tongan PM does not have the privilege of being in the West, where even the below-mediocre get headlines. I'm adding my oppose below. CoryGlee 02:26, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- We have no control over when news happens, so using this an excuse to weaken our standards just to change the box image is nowhere close to appropriate. Masem (t) 19:50, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- His problem is not that he is not in the West, but rather that it is a place with 100,000 population... not even the size of a large city... ITNR is too "woke"... We need to decide what minor countries, sports, etc... most of our readers don't care about... But this is obviously not the right forum for such a discussion... Tradediatalk 10:22, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Woke? LOL. Yeah, not the right place to discuss biased POVs. From whatever side. CoryGlee 19:24, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- His problem is not that he is not in the West, but rather that it is a place with 100,000 population... not even the size of a large city... ITNR is too "woke"... We need to decide what minor countries, sports, etc... most of our readers don't care about... But this is obviously not the right forum for such a discussion... Tradediatalk 10:22, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, but that just means it meets RD. You are asking for us to lower the major figures bar so we can replace the picture. That's absolutely not how ITN works. Nor is WP a newspaper and there is no expectation for ITN to be on the spot timely due to that. Masem (t) 21:19, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is no bar – the major figure concept is explicitly sui generis. My view is that Chris Rea is much the same as someone like Ozzy Osbourne or Brian Wilson that we blurbed earlier this year. Presumably you don't see it because he was bigger in Europe than in the US. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:58, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is definitely a consensus based bar since RD blurbs are supposed to be exceptional, sui generis is not based on the opinion of one editor, and there's plenty of cases to know that musicians with a minimal impact on their genre do not get blurbed. Masem (t) 22:05, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is definitely not a bar. The ITN policy is at WP:ITNRDBLURB and there are no precise criteria. Sui generis means that there are no hard rules; each case is judged separately. And the consensus process means that we each get to have our say. It certainly doesn't mean that you get to tell me how to !vote. I'm still supporting. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:26, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- no, but you should be well aware (by virtue of your long term participation here) of what level of signifigance we generally expect for posting an RD blurb, and that "to change the picture" is absolutely not a reason, as that has nothing to do with sui generis judgements of a person's significance. Masem (t) 22:48, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Sui generis means that each case is judged in its own unique way; it's the opposite of having a standard bar with uniform criteria. The fact that Rea was a star is a given. I commented on the staleness of the current blurbs as another factor. A third factor which is highlighted in the coverage is his iconic Christmas song. I'm still supporting. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:12, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- no, but you should be well aware (by virtue of your long term participation here) of what level of signifigance we generally expect for posting an RD blurb, and that "to change the picture" is absolutely not a reason, as that has nothing to do with sui generis judgements of a person's significance. Masem (t) 22:48, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is definitely not a bar. The ITN policy is at WP:ITNRDBLURB and there are no precise criteria. Sui generis means that there are no hard rules; each case is judged separately. And the consensus process means that we each get to have our say. It certainly doesn't mean that you get to tell me how to !vote. I'm still supporting. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:26, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- And your view should be supported by sources which note that and it should further be in the article. Incomprehensible to compare someone like Rea to Osbourne and you know it. You are partial towards figures from GB and that is alright but we won't change our guidelines due to it. Gotitbro (talk) 02:56, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
My view is that Chris Rea is much the same as someone like Ozzy Osbourne or Brian Wilson that we blurbed earlier this year.
is a strong contender for the most ludicrous statement I've seen at ITN in some time. Osborne's death was headline news around the world, and Wilson's wasn't far behind, given their immense impact on the world of music in both popularity and (r)evolutionary aspects; Lea's is most definitely not, and while he was reasonably popular in the UK he does not rise to the same level. I would insist you reconsider whether your standing on death blurbs is positively biased towards British figures, but as this seems to be a recurring issue it wouldn't be worth doing so. The Kip (contribs) 08:30, 23 December 2025 (UTC)- There's a picture of Chris Rea on the front page of most national newspapers in the UK today and this story dominates many of them. There's also plenty of global coverage in numerous countries -- see the nomination for a list of such sources. But his artistic path had an effect. See Chris Rea’s Underrated Legacy in Blues Rock
Andrew🐉(talk) 14:22, 23 December 2025 (UTC)Part of the reason is geography. Rea was far more popular in Europe than in the United States, where his name recognition is limited. American blues purists often stick to domestic legends, and Rea’s pop beginnings may have made him an easy figure to dismiss. Another factor is his own attitude toward fame. Rea never sought the spotlight. In fact, he actively retreated from it. He closed down his major label relationships, stopped doing press, and focused on painting and personal music projects. That kind of artistic seclusion doesn’t lend itself to maintaining a legacy in the public eye.
There's a picture of Chris Rea on the front page of most national newspapers in the UK today
- Did you read my comment whatsoever? The Kip (contribs) 16:05, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- There's a picture of Chris Rea on the front page of most national newspapers in the UK today and this story dominates many of them. There's also plenty of global coverage in numerous countries -- see the nomination for a list of such sources. But his artistic path had an effect. See Chris Rea’s Underrated Legacy in Blues Rock
- There is definitely a consensus based bar since RD blurbs are supposed to be exceptional, sui generis is not based on the opinion of one editor, and there's plenty of cases to know that musicians with a minimal impact on their genre do not get blurbed. Masem (t) 22:05, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is no bar – the major figure concept is explicitly sui generis. My view is that Chris Rea is much the same as someone like Ozzy Osbourne or Brian Wilson that we blurbed earlier this year. Presumably you don't see it because he was bigger in Europe than in the US. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:58, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, but that just means it meets RD. You are asking for us to lower the major figures bar so we can replace the picture. That's absolutely not how ITN works. Nor is WP a newspaper and there is no expectation for ITN to be on the spot timely due to that. Masem (t) 21:19, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Rea was popular all over Europe, not only UK. On the Croatian and Italian national television and newspapers, they wrote and reported extensively on his death. In fact, initially, he was more popular in Europe than in the UK. The European audience saved his career until got recognition in the UK, but he continued to have the same popularity as later in the UK. Rea was hugely popular and well known to the generations born until the mid-90s. He was really at the very top of the stardom game, but he opposed and ignored the "rock-star" image and the industry, didn't like to have promotion, was reluctant to give interviews, and never went on a tour in the USA, choosing family life instead. He was beloved by many exactly because he achieved such success despite his decisions, for being a "down-to-earth" musician. I am not sure about his influence on music, but his music is definitely recognizable and unique as "of Rea".--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the further evidence. Kiril Simeonovski suggested the blurb and, while they have yet to post a comment, I suppose they have a similar perspective. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:49, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Neither this nor the para cited above fulfill any meaning of "transformative" we have for RD blurbs. If anything they ("underrated", "doesn’t lend itself to maintaining a legacy in the public eye") only solidify the case against it. This defence of the blurb nom is disruptive if anything. Gotitbro (talk) 17:58, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- WP:ITNRDBLURB doesn't use the word "transformative". Instead, it says
One should also be wary of puffery in obituaries for a recently deceased person – using terms such as "legendary", "greatest of all time", "household name", etc.
. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:21, 23 December 2025 (UTC)- And you would know that the colloquial usage of transformative at ITNC has always been about major figures who are rarely posted. Which I am again sure you know Rea nowhere comes close but you do you. Gotitbro (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'm the best judge of what I know. And I like my knowledge to be based on verifiable facts rather than fancies. And so I know that WP:ITNRDBLURB used to include the word "transformative" but that this language was removed after a discussion. So, whatever it means, it has been deprecated. Whether Rea was or wasn't transformative is therefore not something that we need to decide. My view remains that he was enough of a major figure to be worth blurbing. This view is based on evidence too. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:25, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- This is what you stated, "My view is that Chris Rea is much the same as someone like Ozzy Osbourne or Brian Wilson that we blurbed earlier this year." Evidence please. Gotitbro (talk) 03:52, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'm the best judge of what I know. And I like my knowledge to be based on verifiable facts rather than fancies. And so I know that WP:ITNRDBLURB used to include the word "transformative" but that this language was removed after a discussion. So, whatever it means, it has been deprecated. Whether Rea was or wasn't transformative is therefore not something that we need to decide. My view remains that he was enough of a major figure to be worth blurbing. This view is based on evidence too. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:25, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- And you would know that the colloquial usage of transformative at ITNC has always been about major figures who are rarely posted. Which I am again sure you know Rea nowhere comes close but you do you. Gotitbro (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- WP:ITNRDBLURB doesn't use the word "transformative". Instead, it says
- Rea was popular all over Europe, not only UK. On the Croatian and Italian national television and newspapers, they wrote and reported extensively on his death. In fact, initially, he was more popular in Europe than in the UK. The European audience saved his career until got recognition in the UK, but he continued to have the same popularity as later in the UK. Rea was hugely popular and well known to the generations born until the mid-90s. He was really at the very top of the stardom game, but he opposed and ignored the "rock-star" image and the industry, didn't like to have promotion, was reluctant to give interviews, and never went on a tour in the USA, choosing family life instead. He was beloved by many exactly because he achieved such success despite his decisions, for being a "down-to-earth" musician. I am not sure about his influence on music, but his music is definitely recognizable and unique as "of Rea".--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb: I agree with Andrew that we need to replace the Tonga PM blurb, but this is not the solution. Rea's career does not warrant a blurb. I do support RD as the article is of good quality, however. --The Robot Parade 19:45, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD. Notable musician with a long career and multiple songs with millions of streams. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose blurb for the usual reasons. We cannot be posting to ITN every time an elderly person who used to be famous dies. We have recent deaths for a reason.–DMartin 20:53, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Just... no. Come on now. Weak oppose RD - the discography section is mostly fine as the albums have articles and therefore are self-evident/not in need of citations, but there's a small handful that don't and therefore need them. The Kip (contribs) 22:09, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb absolutely not, per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:12, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD article well-cited. Not blurbworthy though, unfortunately. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:51, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD article looks good to go. We need to start thinking about what to do with those who repeatedly and deliberately disrupt the functioning of this space with forced nominations of blurb deaths, especially when it has already been made clear how it works. It is tiring and a lack of decorum. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:58, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support RD because there's a couple CN tags in the Discography section, but I'm willing to forgive that in an otherwise solid article. Oppose blurb because he wasn't a particularly influential musician. Sure, he might have been popular in the UK, but isn't genre-defining nor is he a household name worldwide. He's not even vital listed. Rea is well below the normal standard for death blurbs. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb: not notable for blurb. Indifferent to RD CoryGlee 02:26, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb of sufficient quality for RD. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 10:26, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb I think most know him for Driving Home For Christmas but I am not sure that alone justifies being influential in the music industry. Fine for RD. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb - If he hadn't had a Christmas hit and died just before Christmas, he wouldn't be making front-page news. Coincidences aren't our business. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous commentary, he had non-Christmas hits and albums. He was hugely popular and would have the same or almost the same coverage.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- No, I know that he had plenty of non-Christmas hits. It's my observation that a lot of the headlines nevertheless play on the coincidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:58, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- This is just clickbait, makes a good headline, also the fact that the Christmas single (88') became commercially rewarding only in the last 10 years (the 2004 re-release received Top 10 peak in 2021, and Silver certificate by BPI only in 2014 and became 3x Platinum by 2023). Also, he never played the song live until 2014, so the music industry & agencies are forcing such a generic headline, because simply that's his most successful and known song in the last 10-15 years in the eyes of the general public.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 20:28, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- They just wrote these headlines because he died before Christmas, this is not his most famous song. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:27, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- No, I know that he had plenty of non-Christmas hits. It's my observation that a lot of the headlines nevertheless play on the coincidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:58, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb, great artist with no doubt, legacy that remains. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:26, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Kazuhiro Sugita
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: Nicely referenced and full biography, although could do with more sections and slight expansion. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:52, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – for such a long career, his only (article) highlights are a hostage crisis in Peru and the rest about working with Abe. More like a modest résumé for a diplomat. Needs much more expansion to fit. CoryGlee 10:27, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Fully detailed and sourced article. I don't see any issues of undue weight, and wouldn't consider it a resume. Seeking more expansion feels like asking for too much in too short of time. I believe it's ready for RD. --The Robot Parade 04:39, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Tom Maentz
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Death announcement
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Cbl62 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: All-American football player, one of the "touchdown twins" with Ron Kramer, inducted into University of Michigan Athletic Hall of Honor (I will continue expanding and updating the article today and tomorrow, as time permits.) Cbl62 (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Well written American football bio. Fully detailed and sourced! --The Robot Parade 04:36, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
December 21
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(Posted) RD: Sebastian Hertner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit, Marca
Credits:
- Nominated by BilboBeggins (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit) and Clibenfoart (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German footballer, died in accident. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:16, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support – I was going to nominate it myself. Article comfortably passes ITN threshold. Ruhe in Frieden – CoryGlee 02:34, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Notable German football player. Guz13 (talk) 02:51, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Please comment on article quality and readiness for use on MainPage, @Guz13. Please read the final line in the yellow box above (and every RD nom). Notability is not a requirement for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:13, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- The intro has only a single sentence. So, {{lead too short}} applies. Can someone beef up the intro a bit, please? Also, we need a footnote (or two) next to the DoB mentioned in the main prose. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:16, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: Hi, I have addressed the issues you put forward. Can you check, please, and decide whether my support is thus invalid? In that case, I guess we should mark this for attention needed. CoryGlee 17:33, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Thanks for getting this ready, CoryGlee. --PFHLai (talk) 17:43, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: Hi, I have addressed the issues you put forward. Can you check, please, and decide whether my support is thus invalid? In that case, I guess we should mark this for attention needed. CoryGlee 17:33, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Betty Reid Soskin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Centenarian and the US’ oldest National Park Service ranger, beginning at 85 and retiring at 100. Died on the 21st, widely reported on the 22nd. Article looks to be in great shape. The Kip (contribs) 19:30, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
Not ready: Was literally just about to nominate this, haha. Though its not quite ready yet. The "Early life" section is incorrectly sourced, as the reference listed contains none of the information in the article. (Hence the FV tag.) Once this is fixed, it should be ready.--The Robot Parade 19:42, 22 December 2025 (UTC)- Support: With recent updates to the "Early life" section! --The Robot Parade 16:28, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- "Was literally just about to nominate this, haha." Nice respectful way to talk about the death of a person who dedicated their life to service. Perhaps next time, remember it is a human being who has passed, and not an opportunity to get something on the front page of a popular website.Danthemankhan 01:33, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Re above comment, I've just added sources to the "Early life" section. Funcrunch (talk) 23:05, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:11, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:33, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: James Ransone
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent People
Credits:
- Nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit) and ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American actor best known for playing Ziggy Sobotka in The Wire and Eddie Kaspbrak in It: Chapter Two. ItsShandog (talk) 21:27, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Notable actor in television shows and movies, including two Sinister movies and It Chapter Two. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 21:52, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support: and I do beg your pardon Drewsky1211 for reverting you, not that I did not believe, but it had not been confirmed. I do support and will help with referencing the section of his works. Just a question with 100% respect, is it appropriate to have him pointing with a gun in the picture given that (regardless of the method) he committed suicide? Please, I am aware of NOTCENSORED, just a suggestion or concern. CoryGlee 22:59, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Not going to vote cause i'm updating the article. ROY is WAR Talk! 02:36, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support. The article is in good shape. TheInevitables (talk) 04:47, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Notable actor in high profile movies and TV. Guz13 (talk) 04:53, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ira "Ike" Schab
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Yahoo News]
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Thilio (talk · give credit)
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CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 17:56, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support – The article's a bit on the shorter side, but it's entirely sourced. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:33, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) USCG intercepts oil tanker
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Blurb: The United States Coast Guard intercepts an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela as part of Operation Southern Spear along with a blockade against oil tankers (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States Coast Guard announces a blockade against sanctioned tankers Venezuela after intercepting an oil tanker
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by DangoDino (talk · give credit)
* = grammatical error(s), rewritten
- Support on notability, but wait until the article has been structured. The "Venezuela allies" section is currently undergoing restructuring. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:04, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I feel that it is still too early to be blurbing this. I would wait for a more significant action. Tradediatalk 08:27, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The event is blurb-worthy: This was a significant escalation, as the U.S. seized a Panama flagged oil tanker in international waters, not subject to any sanctions, even according to the U.S. sanctions lists. However, Ongoing may be a better option here since things are continuing to escalate quickly and there will certainly be more to come soon. Nsk92 (talk) 12:45, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that ongoing may be a better option, since it's an escalating situation and the article is getting daily updates. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support although I do think the more important thing here is the now-enforced blockade of Venezuelan oil. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 13:56, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- The chase of a 3rd tanker this afternoon reinforces my point that the blurb should be for the blockade, not the individual events. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 21:24, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb because every day it will be something new and there will be too many blurbs about this topic. Consider adding this conflict to ongoing instead. Save the blurb for declaration of war by either side or major casualty events. This is the second tanker intercepted. There will likely be more. Jehochman Talk 14:01, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Trump waving around his tiny ego isn't newsworthy - NOTTRUMP. I don't see what's changed ... USA has been clear that the oil was under sanctions. Nfitz (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. I've unstruck the initial blurb as it was unilaterally struck out to highlight a "blockade" which is being framed as a new update but indeed was part of Trump's announcement of the first tanker's seizure, and is not mentioned at all in the article. Per Associated Press, the blockade is only on sanctioned oil tankers and not all Venezuelan trade and the blurb should not treat it as the latter. The altblurb gives this the same level of importance as, say, the blockade of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis (minus the nuclear warheads aimed at Washington). Departure– (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment There's news that a third vessel might also be intercepted near Venezuela. FallingGravity 01:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support ongoing per escalating developments. WP:NOTTRUMP doesn't really apply if it has actual geopolitical consequences, and it would absolutely be notable if someone else than Trump was doing it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:24, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb neither the blurb, the article, nor the linked source makes it clear to me why this oil tanker seizure is more newsworthy than the last one, or the currently ongoing one, or the blowing up of boats, etc. The argument for an "ongoing" for the US-Venezuela hostilities is getting stronger ... what would the ongoing article be, though? ~2025-35132-06 (talk) 02:53, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The nominator just joined on December 15, 2025, with 18 edits. I think they are not a bit familiar on ITN and need to understand the rules here. ROY is WAR Talk! 03:00, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Some new users can quickly learn the ropes (and that's what we want to see!), so I don't think the edit count is anything of an issue. If there are specific rules that this posting didn't follow, it could be helpful to clarify them so the nominator can adjust and learn. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:33, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yep! That's what I did! 🍡 DangoDino 🍡 (talk) 22:13, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Some new users can quickly learn the ropes (and that's what we want to see!), so I don't think the edit count is anything of an issue. If there are specific rules that this posting didn't follow, it could be helpful to clarify them so the nominator can adjust and learn. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:33, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment maybe an Ongoing? There are 2 now and one escaped from uscg boarding. Probs will be others.Psephguru (talk) 08:14, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I nominated 2025 United States naval deployment in the Caribbean to ongoing on 12 December at the suggestion of another user on a nomination of the Skipper oil tanker incident but the decision was split and it was not posted in the end. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:18, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well it looks like the naval stuff is expanding so it may be worth it to bring it up again. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 15:09, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- It may be worth re-nominating it as the situation has escalated. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:03, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- I nominated 2025 United States naval deployment in the Caribbean to ongoing on 12 December at the suggestion of another user on a nomination of the Skipper oil tanker incident but the decision was split and it was not posted in the end. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:18, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps ongoing now, US attacks on Venezuela. Secretlondon (talk) 17:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- US is not attacking Venezuela. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:11, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps ongoing now, US attacks on Venezuela. Secretlondon (talk) 17:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well that 3rd tanker is still escaping. I support ongoing if nominated. Let you take the credit abcmaxx.Psephguru (talk) 07:27, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose on alternative blurb. There is no total U.S. blockade against Venezuela. Guz13 (talk) 03:31, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- ALTBLURB is false. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
December 20
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(New) RD: Rich McGeorge
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GBP NFF
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNQUALITY.
Nominator's comments: American football end and college football hall of famer. One of the first true receiving tight ends. More work could (and should) be done to clean up and expand the article, but in its current state it is fully updated and sourced and should be detailed enough for RD. --The Robot Parade 04:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lamarr Wilson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
Credits:
- Nominated by TheArchitectOfYe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American YouTuber and technology journalist. Died November 21; death announced December 13. TheArchitectOfYe (talk) 20:24, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - if the death was announced on December 13 then that would make the nomination stale. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- The family statement was on the 13th, but the Los Angeles Medical Examiner's report confirming the cause of death was not reported by outlets like New York Daily News, People, and TMZ until December 19 and 20. That is when the story actually broke in the mainstream press and when the necessary biographical details were verified. The news cycle for this event peaked only 72 hours ago, so it falls well within the window for Recent Deaths. TheArchitectOfYe (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke:
- Quick and dirty search confirms this is true, no news mention of death until about 3 or 4 days ago. For that purpose, this should be on Dec 20, not Dec 23, but is not yet stale. Masem (t) 21:23, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- thanks, moving it now. TheArchitectOfYe (talk) 05:28, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Quick and dirty search confirms this is true, no news mention of death until about 3 or 4 days ago. For that purpose, this should be on Dec 20, not Dec 23, but is not yet stale. Masem (t) 21:23, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- The family statement was on the 13th, but the Los Angeles Medical Examiner's report confirming the cause of death was not reported by outlets like New York Daily News, People, and TMZ until December 19 and 20. That is when the story actually broke in the mainstream press and when the necessary biographical details were verified. The news cycle for this event peaked only 72 hours ago, so it falls well within the window for Recent Deaths. TheArchitectOfYe (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke:
- Support: I'm a little worried about the staleness, but I trust Masem's assertion that this works for December 20th. Article is fully detailed and sourced, and should be good to go to be posted! --The Robot Parade 04:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:56, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
RD: Sreenivasan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by Benison (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian actor, screenwriter, film director and producer who predominantly worked in Malayalam cinema. Article is in pretty good condition and well cited. — Benison (Beni · talk) 03:59, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support – it will probably be solved, but I added "weak" because your comment is untrue and misleading; subsection "Career" is entirely unreferenced and ends in an undue "etc." CoryGlee 04:25, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I might have overlooked. Added refs now. Thanks. — Benison (Beni · talk) 04:49, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: I don't like opposing this nom, but the prose in the "Career" section feels very bare bones. There's quite a lot mentioned in the lead that is no where to be found in the main prose. This would need to be amended before matching ITN quality. --The Robot Parade 04:15, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi convicted
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Blurb: Former prime minister of Pakistan Imran Khan and his wife Bushra Bibi are sentenced to 17 years in prison for corruption-related charges by a Pakistani court. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Al Jazeera, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose There have been numerous such cases against Khan so he's already in prison. This is just more of the same and so seems to be of marginal significance. Note that that independent observers such as the UN reckon that the cases are politically motivated and so are not reliable. Presenting them as if they are respectable and valid is not NPOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:45, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- The trial of Sheikh Hasina also had its sense of fairness was also questioned and nevertheless it was posted. What's the difference between the cases? ArionStar (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- Checking on Sheikh Hasina, we find that she still hasn't been executed and isn't likely to be. But there's a more recent news report that she had an additional sentence passed – 21 years in prison. This sentence for Khan is like that -- an additional punishment with little practical significance. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:25, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- The first point, that Khan is already in prison for other crimes, is spot on for opposing this nom, but ITN cannot be a place to try to point out political injustice, such as politically motivated trials or illegitimate elections, because we lack space to provide any type of context to explain that. Articles have plenty of space to explain why some groups may contest the results, even if we're talking the UN, but ITN is staying neutral by reporting the basic facts. Masem (t) 01:31, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- WP:BLP requires coverage to be presented in a balanced way. This does not require lots of space. See autocratic legalism and note that step 7 is "Harness the media as an echo chamber". We should not simply parrot the verdict of a corrupt system. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:18, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- In the article, yes. We dont have space for the additional context needed at ITN, so it must be presented in the most basic, factual way, and saying that they were sentenced by a Pakistani court is absolutely neutral and factual. If a big issue of this particular case was that it was seen as a politically motivated case by many observers, then if the article didn't cover that, that would be a problem, but ITN has only so many words it can give to get the point across. Masem (t) 12:56, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- ITN doesn't have a hard limit on blurb size (unlike DYK) and so can take as much space as is needed to do the job properly. The nominated blurb fails to do this. Note also that Khan has been charged with about 100 different offences -- so many that the BBC can't keep track of them all. Highlighting just one of these without any context seems undue. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:39, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- In the article, yes. We dont have space for the additional context needed at ITN, so it must be presented in the most basic, factual way, and saying that they were sentenced by a Pakistani court is absolutely neutral and factual. If a big issue of this particular case was that it was seen as a politically motivated case by many observers, then if the article didn't cover that, that would be a problem, but ITN has only so many words it can give to get the point across. Masem (t) 12:56, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- WP:BLP requires coverage to be presented in a balanced way. This does not require lots of space. See autocratic legalism and note that step 7 is "Harness the media as an echo chamber". We should not simply parrot the verdict of a corrupt system. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:18, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- The trial of Sheikh Hasina also had its sense of fairness was also questioned and nevertheless it was posted. What's the difference between the cases? ArionStar (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew. The only diff is that his wife has now been convicted along him and that it is a harsh sentence, but the "groundbreaking news" for Khan came several months (or more) ago. Hasina is no comparison... Overthrown, trial in absentia, accusations of genocide and a death sentence. CoryGlee 00:11, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Has never been accused of genocide, but yes crimes again humanity (if the reference is to the July massacre or trial of Sheikh Hasina). Gotitbro (talk) 03:35, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Non-notable. Already convicted of treason by the military regime, this is just slapping more convictions to ensure the imprisonment sticks. Gotitbro (talk) 03:35, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The comments above made a convincing case and I learned something new. Tradediatalk 08:33, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:19, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
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